(bike bell rings) – Hey guys, we are west
of Phoenix, Arizona. The White Tank Mountains
here, and I'm with my dad. I've been excited to get
him on film for a long time, 'cause he's just been having
these great adventures and done some amazing
things with his e-bikes. So what are we looking at here, dad? – So we're gonna go out and ride today, but I retired this year
just in time for COVID. – Congrats. Finally. You've been workin' hard. – Yeah, and you know,
and did the RV thing, 'cause that was somethin'
that you could do, and e-bikes really worked out really well, because a lot of people
have RVs and then they tow behind a Jeep or a car
or something like that.
And we wanna do that, but you know, I don't want to drive anything
that's particularly that big. And so instead of towin'
a Jeep, we put the mount and put e-bikes on the
back, which is great, because if you think about
all the places you'd go with an RV, you tend to go to the beach or the mountains or the desert. You know, we're in the desert right now, but all of those places, it
would be nice to have a Jeep, but instead of a Jeep, having
a bike with a fat tire, it's a good trade. You know, this winter I took about a month and went traveling in the
deserts around California. I started down south at Anza-Borrego, then to Joshua Tree,
then the Mojave Desert and the Death Valley. In a lot of places,
even though this is not- – Yeah, if we step back for a second. – Even though this isn't a
giant RV, there was a lot of places I couldn't go
because it was too long. And so where there was
restrictions on length, I was able to park it
and go on the e-bikes.
In Anza-Borrego, there was
some volcanic lava tubes and it was a Jeep trail. It's like six miles out there. I wanted to go. I couldn't get there with this. And so I'm out on the e-bike. There's guys with Jeeps,
and I got to see it. There's several neat locations
that the e-bike helped. And so I was excited about
that and it's a good trade versus, you know, gettin' a Jeep, and that's sort of why I- – So I wanna, you know, mention here that I've been doin' EBR
for like 10 years now, and occasionally, you
know, I get these bikes, demo bikes or something,
borrow them from a shop, and I'll bring 'em home and
you got a taste of that.
You got to try the bikes. And a lot of those were hybrids with kind of the skinny tires. – Yeah. My wife and I rode bikes. And so what we discovered, if you think about what we're doing now, one
of the challenges, you know, we spent time in Wyoming
riding on gravel roads, and with a narrower tire, even, you know, even a medium tire it's unstable. And so having something with
a fat tire would be great for, you know, if you're at a
campground on a forest trail, or if you're at the beach in deep sand, or if you're out in the
desert in deep sand, or you're, you know, the
rocks in the foothills. And so having a big fat tire allows us to kinda go where you wanna go. Or if maybe you're at the
campground and you just need to go to the store or something.
So it's versatile like that. And so it's basically the second vehicle for us outside of this. – I remember the one other use case, it's kind of along those lines, but you guys were out on some other bikes, and it seems like maybe she got hung up in the train tracks that one time. – Well, you know, if
you're crossin' tracks, or a curb or something, and
you're going in parallel, you need to go across.
If you've got a skinny
tire, it can knock you off. And so having a bigger tire
and a more stable bike, it's a lot more forgiving,
and so, you know, everybody can use a
little more forgiveness. – Yeah right, and one of
these is a step through- – Especially now. – As we get closer to
that, a couple other things that I thought were neat
about the RV he chose. I remember you were like, "I
wanna do some boondocking." And you got some solar panels on it. – A lot of the stuff that we do, I traveled a month on the
desert, and I was only at a campground for two
nights out of the month. – Wow. – The rest of the time
it was out on the desert, and we've got solar. And then really low consumption of power, but you know, you're out in the desert. You've got, you've still
got internet and all these- – That's great, yeah. – Creature comforts, but- – Yeah, here we got, I gotta
show the satellite thing on top, but I guess you
didn't like the satellite, so you got these like, hotspots.
– Well, it's cellular antennas. And so we've got cellular Wi-Fi and a couple of different networks. So even out in Death Valley,
in the middle of nowhere, it was surprising that
you could, you know, you could get self service. And so, you know, you're watching Netflix or Amazon Prime while
you're cookin' dinner. You know, it's not, not roughing
it too much in internet, but it works. It's comfortable and
we can do what we want. – Well, and big enough that
you had a couple of slides, so you don't get too much cabin fever. And I noticed you've also
got the wheelie bar down here and there's like, a riser for your hitch. Maybe we can come over
here and you can, you know tell me about some of this,
'cause you've got a great setup.
– Well, on this particular
one, behind the rear wheels, it overhangs quite a ways. And so if you get the steep
curve, sometimes it can skid, and so you get the little bar, the wheels, just in case. And you got the e-bikes
are even further back, and I didn't want them to drag. And so, there's the standard rack, but we we mounted it
even a little bit higher, to make sure that it never rubs. And so it works great. The only drawback is when you're loading you got an extra four inches, but for two people, it's easy.
And one, you just have to have
a little bit of a technique, but it works. I've done it myself multiple times, and it worked out just fine. The big drivers were
one, it's like the things that I consume were the
big tire, the stability. The shock on the front was great. You know, having the suspension
seatpost shock is nice. So between the two of them,
it's very comfortable. And it has sort of an
upright riding position, so, if you're on vacation,
you wanna be lookin' around and see what's around you. So the upright riding
position, the comfort was high. It's very versatile with
the racks and stuff. You can do what you want,
because a lot of times it's meant to be sort of a station wagon.
And if you're camped someplace, and you need to go to town and get stuff, you can throw it on the back. You got a light. – When you mentioned town, I mean, we got the reflective tires on these ones with the puncture protection, and they actually have lights built in, but you love lights so that we got some fun things to show later.
– Yeah, and so for me, it's
like, it had the core elements which were neat, and reliable, and the batteries we could
share, and all the parts- – That's a big thing, yeah. You wanted to get two of
the same brand, right. – The parts were the same. You know, my wife has to step through. Mine's a little step over. At first, you look and
it's like, well gee, the bikes, it seemed, and
especially with the big tires, it's like, this is a big bike. It's kind of intimidating,
but you get on it, and it's like, it's really comfortable. It works well.
Even in the mountains on
the trails that I was, it worked surprisingly well. You know, it's not like a rock hopper, a little mountain bike that you're- – Yeah. You're not catchin' air? – I'm not that guy. I'm not that guy. I'm not that guy either, so it worked out really well for us. – Huh. Well, they look
good on this rear rack. And one of the things
that you told me is like, the first time you went out, you had the suspension unlocked and the bikes were kind of
moving around, right. – So one of, kind of
the learning I had to… the shock was unlocked, and so
the front shock was pumping, which was making it move back and forth.
And this is adjustable for
the length of the bike. The bike was pulsing, and you could see that it had moved back and forth. And so, one of the learnings, in terms of the mistakes
I've made, you know, one, lock out the shocks,
so it stays stable. So that's better. Two, I've got some neat
motion sensor lights on it that are activated
when the bike moves. And it's like, well, it moves
when we're driving inside. Turn the lights off so
you don't run that down, especially if you're drivin' for a week, 'cause at some point they write down. And some neat tricks
in terms of, you know, it's the back of an RV, and
so there's a lot of dust. And so at first, I didn't cover them, and you get a lot of
dust all over the bike, and it's messy. And so we went to putting
a cover on, but, you know, the wind whips around too.
And so the cover we've
got is a real nice cover. It works for both bikes, the big bikes, but then we have a bungee tarp. It's sort of like this
spiderweb thing you'd see in the back of the truck. And we put that over it. – Over the tarp. – Over the tarp, and it
holds the tarp tight, so it doesn't flap around in the wind.
And, you know, you think
it's like, well, you know, you're out there. You know, I was out for a month and I kept the bike on the back. The battery's off, so I'm okay that way. I lock the bike. I have a folding lock
where I lock, you know, I lock the wheel on the outer bike. You have a long cable lock
where I lock all of up on the wheels and lock it to the hitch, so it's kind of secure.
And then it's wrapped in a tarp, and then it's wrapped in a bungee. So people, they kinda don't
know what you got, you know. Anybody could defeat it if they wanted to, but it would take a little bit longer. It's like, well, you gotta
go and peek under the bungee, peek under the tarp, figure out is this really worth stealing, is it worth risking and
getting in trouble for. And the first one with the
big lock, that's a pain, you know, and they're all connected. So can you lift them both, and you know, how much time are you
gonna screw around with it. – It's a good point. – So you just try to make
it a little bit harder, so, and so far it's worked. – Yeah, they look good. So all the dust on these is just from your trail rides and stuff. Oh, and there's this
other conversation we had when you were looking at
bikes and there are a lot of really cool mid drive bikes,
but it was like, well, one with the throttle, one that
if it did get busted or stolen you could replace it a little bit easier, the modular batteries.
And then, we've got like
a derailleur guard here, and it actually looks like you've put that to use a little bit. – In the desert, I went
on some trails where it was pretty rough. It was off road, and so
having the guard here, you know, we were off road. And so on my grips, I was
beatin' the crap out of them. I went on a railroad track
trail that was very long and you're going back
and forth over the ties. And the ties are surprisingly
tall, and so there was a lot of times where you're bangin'. I also put, you know, there's sort of an aftermarket bash guard
down there, cause there's some- – Now that's cool. – Some cabling below- – And you got a place to mount it. Like, I'm often saying that
that could be for a bottle But your pack here, I think
there's a couple places. And then, you know, I'm skippin' ahead, but tell me more about this
bash guard thing, 'cause that's- – So that was just in case
and you know, I was off road and I thought, "Gosh, is that
gonna really get bashed up?" We can look at it.
You know, I was surprised,
and when I looked at it, it doesn't look like
it's taken a lot of hits. I just didn't wanna mess
up any of the electronics. So it's, you know, it looks
like most of the abuse came down on the crank. So I was pleased, you know. I haven't been particularly babying it, and I haven't washed it or anything, since it was out on the desert, so it- – It's still running well? Have you broken any chains
or had any derailments? – No, you know- – I mean you gotta derail your guard. This is a guide here, so
this actually protects the chain ring and it keeps the chain from- – The chain's never come off.
– That's nice. – I had to adjust, you know, take a little tension out
of the cables on the gears. And then I was using the brakes a lot, and so I had to, you know, I
noticed they were gettin' soft. So I had to dial those back up to get the pressure back, but it's- – What you're talkin'
about, what's so cool about, you know, most bikes have this, but see this is a little barrel adjuster. And so over time, as the cable settles in, some people say, "Oh,
it's cable stretched", but these wires really
don't stretch a whole lot.
It's actually that they settle. And so, you know, in this
case, they're using jagwire, which is nicer and you
can kind of, you know, turn to the left and it's loosening it, and it stretches out the housing. And so you're counteracting the settling. Just a quick tip for people,
you don't even need tools, like out on the- – Yeah, yeah. I have some simple bike
tools, but you know, it was enough to just do
it up on the handlebars to take enough adjustment
out where on the trail I was feelin' okay again. – Love that. – And so now after a month, I feel like, okay, I need to come in and clean it, and get all the dust and, you
know, clean it up really good. And then, you know, grease the chain, and you know, get it back.
But this is sort of the as-is condition after being on the road for a month. – Well, how much do you
think you put in this, like how much weight 'cause
these are pretty, you know this is rated to probably
55 pounds, the rear rack. – Well you know, so the bike on, you know, what I've got in there,
I've got some paper. I've got my first aid
kit for out on the trail. I've got my, you know, and these stayed in there even though I lifted them out. I got the really long, you
know, this is the cable that's big enough for
both bikes to the hitch. And then you've got the folding, the Avis- – Oh the super one. – This is the heavy duty, yeah. And you know, and I lock the first one. I lock the rear wheel to this.
It's only large enough to
kind of go through here. So it's like, well, you can't write it. And they're all wired together
and it's wired to the frame. So it's like, well, okay. – And that was the loop through. It puts the cable through this lock. So this is the, I think it's
a Thule T2 XTR or something. Heavy duty with the big trays
here that fit the fat tires, and they've got that
arm that grabs the tire, instead of the middle of the bike, because otherwise, you
need a crossbar adapter.
I mean, this is, do you remember
how much this hitch was? – The rack, I think it's like 600 bucks- – 600 bucks. Cheaper than
a Jeep though, right. That was the point. – Well, and you know, it's all relative, 'cause then you've got the weight of pulling a Jeep around
and doing this stuff. And so it takes a little bit to get it set up the way you want. People with RVs, it's
like, well, bikes are big. There's folding bikes. But if you look, it's
like, well, you folding, do you have a cargo
compartment big enough? – That's big enough, yeah.
You'd have to have a
really big RV to do that. Or sometimes people have the Jeep and they fold the bike inside the Jeep. And so now you have the Jeep and the bike, and so, you know, it'd be
nice to have everything, but- – Different strokes for
different folks, I guess, but I'm diggin' it. I mean, there's a lot of
stuff here that you did that I hadn't thought
about, like raising this up, and the rack that you got. A lot of my racks have been Kuat, and they've worked pretty
well, but you know, sometimes there's extra adapters.
Some of them have the ramps and stuff. So you were talking about how you lift- – The baskets are nice. The ratchets to be able to
take this down, you know, and keep those tight
even with the fenders on. You know, 'cause it's like,
there's a question sometime is, "Can you do that?" But it's worked fine. It has a built-in cable
lock, but that's the kind that you can kind of defeat and the cable, it's not super long, and
I need to bring it back. And so I haven't used that. I just use the big one where
I can thread it through and make it a little bit
more of an obstacle course for somebody that's
gonna steal it someday.
But the ratchets have been nice. These have been nice. Once you learn the technique
to get it on and off, they've been stable. I haven't really had problems shifting. So I'm super pleased with
that, with the cover, with the bungee thing, because
it's not flappin' around. I've talked to people
with RVs and they've, you know, their covers have
gotten ripped up in the wind. It's flappin' or you get something thin. And so then, and it keeps
them a little, you know quite a bit cleaner. – Sure. – It's still dusty, but- – You installed an extra camera here so you can keep track
of it while you ride, and make sure you haven't lost anyone. – Yeah. The backup
camera kind of aims down so you can, you know,
while you're driving, you can see, you know, is it shifted? – How are we doin'? – Is it still there. – So tell me about these things up here.
– There's two different things. On the front, there's a
mount for their front basket, but there's four connecting points, basically, it's a square mounting plate that allows you to put bottle cages on. So it attaches really well
easily in the right position. The people that make that
mount, they set the screws, so the bottles are straight up and down. So you can see the holes
that the stock rack has the bottle straight up and down. And even with a medium
bottle, it starts to hit on the thing.
– On the handlebar. – So I changed the holes so I could tilt the bottle cage back. And so now with a medium cage, you can steer and not interfere. – That was really smart. I mean, Riese and Muller have done this, Bowles have, and a lot
of them go straight up, just like you're saying,
so this was smart. – I've got access to a
shop, so I could do that. You know, my wife, she
likes her bottle down, but sometimes if you're in the desert, you need a couple of bottles. – Multiple, yeah. – And so she uses the one
here, and the second there. I have my two on there
because the primary one is underneath, which is
really hard to get to. And that's worked out really well.
– And the shop did threaded holes for you is what you're saying. – I did that. – You did that, you threaded 'em. – Yeah, I've got access to a metal shop. So not everybody has the
taps, but it's like, you know somebody's gonna figure this out that, you know, it's popular. Or, you know, I'm taller. The other solution, you could
put a riser on your handlebars and fix it that way because the height of the handlebars, I
needed higher bars anyway. – Which is gonna be, we'll
talk about that once the bike's off the car, but I gotta
say, you did a nice job matching all the white
and making it pretty too. – The bracket, the company that makes 'em, it's you know, it's pretty. They're nice and powder coated. They look like the bike
and the attachment, it's a great place for them.
So that was a neat change
that just worked out well. – Would this be a good chance, maybe you can take the outer one off. I can just see what that looks like. – Sure, so usually I do two steps. The first one is like,
I release the ratchet and get the strap out of the way. – It kind of plugs into the back there. – Yeah, and it's real stable
even just with the front mount, and then you get that out of the way. And so now it's free and clear. So now it's loose. It's ready for it. And then, you know,
you gotta take a chance where you can lift it off
and lifting it together. And then you can just drop it. So there's not a lot
of, you know, lifting. You know, comin' off isn't so bad. If I'm going on, it's the opposite, where if I put the
brake on the back wheel, get the front wheel, put it in the basket.
So I've got half the weight there. And then the flip side of it, which is a little bit more of an effort, the wheel and the basket. You got it there and
then you go the reverse. – Wow. – And so at this point, it's secure, and then I could put the thing on. So it's, you know, and it's one person. So having the battery off- – That helps a lot. This was like eight pounds or something. – You know, it's like,
it would have been nicer if I took the heavy lock out, but it's like, that's manageable. And to get to the back
one, once you've got it in this tray, you kind of stair-step it, 'cause I can easily pick this wheel up and put it in the basket
and put it in the far one.
Tie that one down, then do this. – I see, so you start at the outer slot. It makes it a little easier. That's a good tip. – And yeah, I guess you
don't have to drop it, but you know, at this point it's just, find a grip where it's
the center of gravity. – There you go. And I love that you got your helmet on because that would keep in the handlebar. – Yeah, you can see it. – People always make fun of me. You got your helmet on the whole time. I'm like, you don't know, but it's loading and unloading bikes can
be a risky business. – You can see on this one,
the bottle cages will sit in. I've got the two bottles here aimed back. – Yeah. – I did change out the handlebars on this. I put Jones bars. – Oh yeah. – So I think I'm a little bit taller.
And so riding, when I was
riding with the stock bar, I think they were too low and I was puttin' too
much weight on my hands. And so on long rides, my
palms would kinda tingle, and so, you know, I needed
to kind of lift 'em up. And I think ergonomically,
if you look at your grips, you know, there's sort of the argument, it's like, well, that's my
natural hand position is more of an angle. – Versus like, forward. – Yeah, 'cause the mountain
bike is more straight. So it's like, you know,
back at work you've got your ergo mouse and it's like, well, that's the sort of ergo, makes sense.
So these guys make a swept bar that also has the riser built-in. – And a mount for lights or any, I mean, this is like your accessory bar up here. – Yeah, you could put
serious, you know, they they make the racing- – Your KC lights up here,
you got monster truck. – And then I swapped
out to the Ergon grips. – You know I love these. These Ergon grips are great. – And these ones, they're
designed for swept bars. It really was a big game changer to have the swept plus these. They were paddle grips on the other ones, but it was like, you know,
I'm turning my wrists. – I mean, we have, this is the stock bike. You can see that they've got… It's fairly firm. It's kind of ergonomic
and it's not locking, which means you could twist
it if you really got hot. Did that ever happen to you? – Right, they never twisted. They're good and so you've got the rest.
It's just that for me, I
didn't wanna turn straight. I wanted them to kinda be
relaxed and the angle is right. Plus it gave me the rise too. And if you're off road, I'm
probably more aggressive in my riding than my wife. And you know, if you're off
road and you're on gravel, you want a lot of control and boy that, you really feel stable, which
I've appreciated a few times.
– It looks great. It looks awesome. Also, you mentioned these
ones are kind of designed for swept back, but you got one that's… Did you have to cut it or
did it come with the half? – It came like that. So this is meant for e-bikes. So this one's a shorty
for the twist grip swept, and then the normal one. So, you know, it's like, you had to look 'cause not everybody
has that on the shelf. I had to order, but it's like- – You're a good researcher. – That was perfect. So that was a big thrill to change that. It made it more comfortable
doing the bottle cages. The other thing, you always
tease me, I'm into lights, and so what I've added on
the front, and then also on the back, these were
aftermarket lights. These are lights to kind of be seen. The bike already has a headlight. It has a brake light, which is great, but if you ride in the
neighborhood, I want the flashers.
And so there's some real nice ones, but I forget to turn stuff off. I don't like to buy
batteries, and these ones, they have a motion detector. These are turned off too. – Oh, there we go. Yes. It's the same one on her bike. – It's the same one. They turn off after 120 seconds, but what happens is, if I
wait and let that go off, if there's any kind of
movement, it wakes up. And it goes right back
into the flashing mode, both on the front and the rear, so when you're riding,
it makes you feel safer. They came with a kind of
a jumbo rubber band mount that was a strap that you wrap around the seat post and then clip. – Yeah, the holes. – But it would be easy to take it off 'cause you just strap it around and catch the loop or
you can bump it, and so- – And on the post here, you got the rack.
– And so it's like, you know, it was… And then it's also aiming down to the fender so the mount was wrong. It was easy to lose and
it was the wrong position. And so what I did, and you
can see it on this one, you know, the rubber mount is still here. You can see here's the rubber mount, and the rubber bands go in this way. I just took and folded it
over and used Rescue Tape, which is a silicone stretch tape, and I just taped it to the frame. So you could take that off
and there wouldn't be any glue or goo and the lights are rechargeable, so you just take 'em off
and, you know, it's like- – Micro USB.
– Micro USB, charge 'em up. But this is the lowest strobe mode, so- – Oh boy. – So there's a, I think there's a solid, a fast flash and a slow flash, but on the slow flash,
it's supposed to last, I've heard 20 to 40 hours, you
know, basically a long time. It's not like every deal. So if you look at this,
we've been talkin', and it's goin' off. If you hit it, it wakes back up. – Oh wow. – So if you start drivin', it goes. And they're fairly bright. So, you know, this is a bright sunny day, so this one's off again. And if I was driving- – Oh yeah. – It wakes up and even in the day- – Oh yeah. – It's good visibility. – And it's got that flash, flash, flash. – Yeah, and this is the slowest one. There's a faster one, but it's uneven.
And so you, you notice this along the way, so I really appreciate that. Especially, you know, we
live in a retirement area and it's like, you wanna
make sure you're lookin' out for the other guys. The motion lights are nice to be seen, but, you know, that's
kind of a second purpose. The lights that came with it work great. You know, you got the
headlight for at night, the brake light. I really appreciate
having the brake lights. – Doesn't it go bright when you pull the- – So you know, when you
activate the brake, it lights, and so that's important. One of the trails I went
out on in Anza-Borrego, and then also by the Hoover Dam, some of these old trails
where you're going on a railroad trail.
I've been in trails where
you go through tunnels. And one, there was a
goat canyon trestle down by San Diego, and to get to it, we went through 10 different tunnels. One of 'em was a half a mile long. – Wow. – And it's a long trail and it's dark. And you know, somebody on the guide said, "Well, bring a flashlight." And so I brought a little
hand held flashlight, and you know, it's big enough
for a locomotive with steam. It's like, you couldn't see anything. It's all black and- – Did you check the schedule before you went into the tunnel? – Yeah, you couldn't see anything, but the headlight on the
bike was bright enough.
You know, at least you could have a patch where you were driving. It wasn't like it
illuminated the whole thing, but it was like, I was pretty grateful at that time that it worked. – Well, I was kind of wondering,
'cause sometimes though, they get kind of the weeny light
that doesn't do a whole lot but it seems like, you know- – It was a legitimate light, you know. It was enough that was your path. Sometimes through use,
you have to mess around and change the adjustment
of where it's pointing, but it really helped a lot. – Made a difference. – And you know, you under-appreciate it because the flashlight, I thought, "Oh, I brought a flashlight. I'll be good." And it just, it just evaporated. It was workin', but it was just so big of a room and so dark.
So at least I could see my
path, so I wasn't riding- – And you're not using one
hand to do the flashlight- – Yeah, 'cause it was like, it was dark. It was dark. It's like, okay, how
much further, you know. And you know, it was
an old abandoned thing, so there was places where
the rocks had fallen down. Seeing was a good thing. It turns out that that was a feature that I liked that I didn't realize. – And the tires worked okay
on the train tracks and- – Yeah, you know, the train
tracks were much larger than I thought. And so to get them up and
over, I would lift it over and every time, you know, I
thought that it'd be hittin' the bash guard, but I, you know, if you look at my cranks, I'm sure that there
probably sins on the cranks.
There's a lot of bashing
going on with air. So it's like, and you know,
but in terms of that plate, it doesn't look like it took too many hits but it's sensitive stuff under there. – That's a good, like, look
at where all the wires are. Like, I point this out
on some of the reviews. It's like they're right there. – You know, I was nervous about it, but it looks like, you
know, I was protecting against something that didn't come. I'm glad that it didn't come,
but if it did come, you know, you get a pinch on that cable, it would probably be a bad day, especially since we go
off road quite a bit. So anyway, that was the lights. The lights have really done well. And, you know, having
that change in the angle on these really made it nice, you know, and having the two bottles. I really like that.
– I'm always wearin' my backpack, 'cause I'm kind of
minimalist traveling around. A lot of times you can get the like, Camelback kind of thing, but then, you know, it's
nice to have the air like, flowing through and
kind of cooling you off. It's, you get the- – In Death Valley, I had both of these and I had a big bottle back there, 'cause it was like, you
know, you just drink and drink and drink. – Can you take the rear rack
off and tell me about this, 'cause this was, for me,
I was so used to Topeak and you found this Ibera stuff. – Well, and you know, during COVID, a lot of stuff was back ordered.
You know, Rad makes racks
and stuff like that, but it's just sort of a basic rack. It had the- – It's called the pack rack. – You have the different adjustments, and so you set the height for your bike, but you know, mounted, it's level too. You know, Rad has the brake light. The cable wasn't long enough, but on Amazon you can get a 12-inch cable.
– A little adapter. – That extends it. And so it's like, well, okay,
I've just moved this back and mounted it here. A little bit of a Mickey Mouse on that. – But I love that it even had the light mount bracket already. I mean, these things look perfect. It's even got the slider, you guys. So this thing keeps it so if
you have panniers connected to the side, they don't slide off, or they don't rattle as much. – And so we've got the
racks on both bikes. We really like this. This is a nice size unit
that we kind of leave on pretty much all the time. – Clicks right on. – There, it's on. And then we've also got the
panniers, one set of saddlebags. So if you know, if we're at
the campsite and we're gonna go to the grocery store
and get milk and groceries, you can put both of
them on one or share 'em between the two or something like that. Most of the time, we haven't
had as much of a use for that, but these are so convenient
and they hold a lot.
It's got the reflective on the thing. It's got a strap. You can see all my trail mix, my tools, you know, trash from the- – And there's the shoulder thing. – The shoulder strap- – If you take it off. – Consider the timing. – Yeah right, just in case. – You have your COVID mask
even out on the trail, and the bungee on top, you know, and so- – That might be a dust mask someday, depending on where you go. – Well you know, it just goes on and on. It's like there's pockets everywhere. So I've been pleased with that. – Did you ever take the charger, 'cause the charger for the Rad bikes, it's like a pound and a half.
And if you had got really far
and you're out of juice maybe, or have you ever run out of batteries? – I've thought about it. I thought, well, I've
worried about running out of batteries, but where we've
gone is out in the boonies- – There's no where to- – There is no plug. – Where's your foldout solar panel? – There is no plug. We went to the Grand
Canyon and where we camped, there's a place where we camp, and it was like eight miles to the rim. And then there was 20 miles
of, you know, so we went you know, 35 miles and
we're worried 'cause like, God, are we gonna have enough charge, but we knew it was gonna be a long time. And so we kept the power
down low and we, you know, kind of used our power. And we came back and we still
had half the battery, so. – Oh wow. – You know, it's not like we were ridin', doin' the throttle the whole time, but we went a long distance. – You told me another story. And you know, back to
like, the features when you were lookin' at
getting bikes and stuff.
This story was about a long
trip that there were like, it was a big hike and it went through. There was this hill and there's deep sand, and it's like, you needed the throttle to kind of get up. And that was what I was thinkin'. It's like, you don't
wanna run out of battery. Can you tell me that story? – So in this spring, we went,
and you know, it was just me. I went out to Anza-Borrego
and there are some mud caves that are out in the desert. And I think it's, you know,
six, eight miles out there, but you can't, you definitely
couldn't take this, and I don't think you
can take cars out there.
It's Jeeps and the sand was deep. And so, you know, you're out there and you're trying to find
the place that's solid, and you think, "Oh, I got a good spot." And then it disappears,
and then you sink down in the deep sand. Without a fat tire, there's
no way you could do it, and without the motor, you
probably couldn't do it. I didn't, you know, reduce the air, but I had enough where I could do it. And everybody else was in four
wheel drive trucks and Jeeps, and you know, you got there
and it was a really cool place. There was a similar thing on,
I think it's at Death Valley or maybe in Mohave
Desert, a lava tube cave. – Oh, wow. – It was a long way out there, Jeeps only, really cool destination, and
that enabled me to get it, because you couldn't do it in the RV.
You couldn't do it in a car. I don't have a Jeep. I don't wanna tow it. And so suddenly, you're in the
game, and it was surprising you know, you think,
well, is there competition with Jeeps, but there wasn't that many. There's kind of nobody out there. They kind of give you a look. It's like, you know, kinda nuts. Are you that guy? – Were they friendly? And it wasn't like they beat me by a ton, because you know, they're
spinnin' in the sand too. – Wow. – So that was quite a delight, you know. Mentally, you have to kind of keep track of how far are you
willing to walk, you know, 'cause it's like, if
everything crapped out, it's like, well you know, I'll lock it to a tree or something. It's like, you know, yeah,
I can walk eight miles back, but you know, at that outermost point, and you start to think, well, you know. – That's where that extra
water bottle comes in handy.
– Yeah. Yeah, and there's a Jeep trail on that mud cave where it
was one of these show off Jeep things where there
was a hill that, you know, it was a 45 degree angle. And just even going down it
was like, that was scary, but you know, you could ride down it. Up it, I made it a quarter of the way, but even walkin' up it with
the throttle, you know, I needed the motor to be pushin', 'cause it was literally
steep, but if you got- – Yeah, that's the story. That's the one I remember
you telling me about that. – Yeah, you know, and it was neat. It was neat to be able to go there. And it was just fine. You know, it was like, okay,
it took a little bit longer, but several of the Jeeps,
there was husbands and wives. The wives got out. They're like, "I'm not
goin' down that with you." And then they walked
down and I walked down, and then, you know, at the bottom, so it was like, okay, it
wasn't that much different.
– The other thing I'm noticing,
it's like, we're out here on a hot day and you can,
you've been lifting bikes. You start to get hot and
sweaty, but with the bikes, especially an e-bike,
it's like, you kind of have this air conditioning
affect where you're ridin' and you get a little bit of breeze on ya. I appreciate that. – So we got a house outside of Phoenix. – Yeah. – You know, I was here
the summer before last, and you know, all summer it
would be 105 degrees every day for a month. – Wow. And so there's several times
where I would ride this down to the, there's bike trails
down by the river bed. And it's like a, you know,
we rode that the other day. It was like a 16 mile loop.
– Oh yeah. – Maybe closer to 18. – Wow. – And you know, it was 105,
and with the bike, you know, with the wind blowin', it was hot, but if you're livin' there,
you're kinda used to the heat. – Sure. – But with the air blowin'
and you're sweating, and so you kind of feel okay,
as long as you're going. As soon as you stop, it's that hot. You've been peddling,
suddenly you realize you're a glow red, you're a glowing ember, but there's no way you
would do that otherwise.
It's sort of like,
again, if it crapped out, you'd wanna, you know, it's in town, so it was okay and careful,
but when you were done, you wanted to go someplace
cool pretty quick. – I was thinking, you know,
some of the things I've learned over the years doin' Interbike when it was in Las Vegas or just doin' my road trips, you got your arm on the left windowsill. So I wear these long sleeve shirts a lot. I put on some sunscreen. I got a brim, and you
have a really special brim for your helmet.
It kind of looks fun. – It's really common. I think it's called, a
company called Da Brim, and it's this wide brim that
you put over your bike helmet. It gives you like a
three or four inch thing. And you know, it's a big, you know, and in Phoenix, in this kind of sun, it makes a lot of sense. It's sorta like, when
you're wearin' it though, it feels like da, da, da,
da, da, you know, the wizard- – Wicked witch of the west. – With the big brims. So I was like, okay, I've got one.
I didn't have it today,
so I didn't, you know- – Lookin' good, dad. – Do your thing. It was the style- – It's so fun hearing about all
this 'cause you spent months and months and you know, people
are kinda trapped at home with COVID. You've figured out so many cool solutions. Is there anything else that we missed, or stories that you wanna
relay to people about? Maybe the side mirror real quick. I feel that's somethin' I've noticed- – Well, in the neighborhood,
we added some mirrors, and we were kind of exploring it.
I think this is turned a little bit, but I did the the smaller pop-out so I could see people behind you. You know, my wife, she's
got the one that's kind of the octopus arm and it's, you
know, two different styles. It's, you know, to kind of keep track of, you know, when you're on the city streets, if somebody is coming. In our neighborhood,
it's a place where it's sort of a resort community. People do golf courses and- – Yeah, golf carts zippin' around. – So it's like, is somebody there. You know, it's like,
you're doing your job, And then making sure the
other guy does their job. – I really like that one. And you know, another
thing, this is just stock, but this is adjustable
length and everything. It doesn't cause peddle lock. Like, these are all the things I talk about when I review the bikes, but you actually tried
it in the soft sand and- – That one Jeep trail, where
the trail was like this, and you know, I stopped to take a photo. And I parked it and used the
stand, and it sat just fine, which was really surprising
because, you know, I was havin' to, you're standing crooked.
Oh, the other thing. Okay, so we're out here in the desert. There's cactus like crazy. – Oh yeah. – There's the Cholla cactus,
you know, teddy bear cactus that drop off. So there's puncture stuff everywhere, and to me, it's like, I
think the tires that come with it have some puncture protection, and they're good tires, blah, blah, blah. But it's like, I don't
ever, ever, ever wanna get a flat tire, so I put,
Tannus Armour makes liners, and so, you know, it's a liner.
It's kind of like foam
or like Nerf material that, you know, the puncture can go in, but you know, the foam is pretty thick. It's significantly thick on
the top, and then it comes down and then it has a smaller tube inside. So there's still a tube, but there's a lot of insulation around it,
so punctures can come in without hitting the tube. So we've got the Tannus Armour and then, you put a smaller tube,
and inside the tube, we put, you know, there's different slime and different products. The product we used is called Flat Attack. It was one of the original
ones and chose that because it, you know, it has a five-year guarantee, and it's not supposed to evaporate. – Oh or dry out or whatever. – Some of the different brands dry out, and it's like, when it dries out, you have to add more, add more. And it's like, well, I don't
wanna keep track of it.
I hope it never, you know, my plan is, I hope it never has to
use that, but if it does, you want it fresh because, you know, goin' on these rides,
it's like, well, you know, and maybe it's crazy. – You got the light goin', dad. – I hit it again. You know, I'm not packin' it. – A pump. – I'm not packin' a pump. – And these fat tires.
– And I don't wanna change
a tire on the things. – And the tread is still holding up. Okay, so a couple of quick tips. I've gone through tire changing as well, especially on a hub motor. It's like, you need a bunch of tools. Thankfully, these guys have
like a quick disconnect for their motor power cables and stuff. A lot of this is actually
modular, which is nice if you do break a display or something, but with the tires, the key
is to keep the air pressure up enough to where, you know,
you're not getting the pinch flat kinda thing goin' on and then, you know, avoid the thorns and stuff. But with this Tannus Armour,
it's like, you get the combination of a much
thicker, more durable sort of insulator to the thorns,
or glass, or whatever. And then you still have some air for that pneumatic kind of a comfort feel. And it just seemed like those worked great but they do add some weight and some cost. Were they hard to get on,
or what was that like? – You have to ask the guy at the shop.
– Oh no, I'm glad it wasn't me. – I'm not to do it yourselfer, but it was the guy at
the shop recommended 'em. And you know, out here
in the desert, you know, they're pretty popular. You know, they were a
little bit, you add it. It was some money in and
then you put the other thing, and get 'em on, but you know, they've been kind of bulletproof. They said, too, you can run lower pressure when you have 'em. – Oh. – And it smooths the ride out. – Smoothing the ride out in sand. Like you were talking about, you didn't do it at that
time, but it's like lowering the tire pressure spreads out the contact patch and gives ya- – Right, yeah. And so if you were at
the beach or something, and you knew you were
gonna exclusively do sand, that would probably be worth doing it, but it was sort of mixed
and it's a long distance.
So I've done several long
rides where it's like, okay, you know, can you do this, and you're just looking
for the firm trail part, and not tryin' to hit too many obstacles. – I have one other question. – Sure. – We didn't talk about this before, but you know, these displays
have the USB charging port built into the bottom right here, and you can kind of tap
into the battery that way.
And I just wondered, you know,
do you use like, your GPS or phone mount, or do you
ever tap into it or not? – You know, so I have my phone. I've got a couple of GPS, Gaia GPS, so like, some of the
places where you're way out in the boonies and you
know, there's no roads. So the Gaia GPS is a good
thing where I can find trails and navigate, but I just
rely on the phone's power. I guess you could charge from the air, charge from the battery
if your phone was dead. – But you haven't had need to? – No. – Okay. Well, that's cool. – I suppose that would be good preparation if you had the charge cable
that you do have a source. – Sure. – But no, I didn't think
it would get to that level. – The other thing I
noticed on your helmet, you got the black, they're
actually reflective, but you've got, and it's a
nice style thing, you know. – Yeah so, we've put some of
the reflective stickers there. It's sort of a black
color, but it's reflective.
So at night, you know,
'cause safety is important. If you've got good lights, and then the good flashing
lights and reflectors, you want as much as you can. It's like, I don't wanna fall because somebody else
is not paying attention. So you do what you can. – Closing points for me, it
was, you glossed over it, but these suspension seatposts. I was riding this when
we went on that like, 17, 18 mile loop just yesterday, or the day before and it feels good.
I mean, between the suspension
fork, the heavier bike, it almost feels like a motorcycle. And that seatpost suspension
really takes the edge off. – And you can tell that it does move. You can see the movement points. And so, you know, again, if you look at the upright riding position
in the front shock, you know, if the shock is locked,
if you take it off, and you forgot to unlock it,
you do feel the bumps more. And so with all of that, you know, on uneven terrain it's
pretty comfortable to ride. And you're sitting up,
and so if you're out in the country and
you're lookin' at stuff, you can enjoy the view,
and you're comfortable, and you're in a relaxed riding position, the motor's helpin' to
do some of the work, so you can balance that. – And this is adjustable. This actually has some,
you can in the bottom, you can sort of tighten it or loosen it. It's preload, and this suspension, this portion does too.
And so the weight, I'm just telling too, 'cause people, you know – And on these ones, the suspension- – Yeah, pre loaded. – If you weigh more than your wife, that you can get a different
spring to put inside of it for your weight. – Oh well that's cool. – So on the bottom, there's
a screw that holds the spring in, and there's different sizes. And so, you know, based on
your comfort or your weight, you can get a stiffer spring. So I did change out the spring in mine, and it was easy to do. You take the seatpost
out, take the thing off, and swap out the spring. It was real easy. Oh, which reminds me here. That was another thing that would be in terms of slowing down the theft.
It came with quick release. The seatpost clamp has a quick release. You know, these are unattended a lot, and to try to at least make
it a little bit harder. I put a tooled clamp, so it's like, if you had the bike tool,
you can take this off, but you know, if somebody is- – It's a good, it's $150 for the pick in- – Yeah and if somebody flicks the thing, and then your seat's gone. – You mentioned changing the spring. Dad, do you mind sharing
how much you weigh? – Yeah, I'm close to 200.
So I weigh more than you. – More than me, huh? – Yeah, yeah. – Well, I'm ridin' the
bike a lot, keepin' me fit. I gotta say, I mean, so
this was totally fun for me. I was hearing about this
'cause I haven't been back to the states for like a year and a half, and I've been seeing
these pictures and stuff. So I hope you guys enjoyed it. And I wanna let you know,
I'm gonna post and I'll link to this in the forums, back
at electricbikereview.com. I'll link to every single
one of these accessories, so you can kind of mix and
match if you wanna get.
Some of these things, I
had never even heard of, like that bash plate on the bottom. And this cup holder bracket on the front. I just think this is great. By the way, this is not a sponsored video. None of these accessories or bikes were given to us for free. My dad just picked what he
thought would be the best for him and his wife. And I thought it would be fun to share, 'cause I keep seeing the
pictures and hearing the stories, but putting together the
list back in the forums, the idea is you can find the exact items. And some of those are Amazon links, so there's some affiliate
commission there, but feel free to post your
own great accessories too. You know, maybe there's a new
version that works even better or you've got a completely
different bike build and you wanna share about it. That's what the forums are for. I try to keep it really ad limited. In fact, the vast majority of electric bike reviews
I've done have been for free.
We've taken, you know, kind of a service charge on some of them, but my goal is to be as objective and open as possible, and
have everyone feel included. It's not like one bike is
objectively better than another. They're all pretty cool and
just have different use cases. So I hope this helps. I hope you've enjoyed it. Now dad, was there any other thoughts or things you wanted to add
before we go for a ride? – Yeah, I think that's it.
Let's go for a ride and have some fun. – This is wonderful. Thank you so much. – Sure. – Oh yeah. – Amazing how well these things climb. This whole trail is uphill. I'm just sittin' down in
assist level three here, doin' pretty good. Good job, dad. Puttin' that skid plate to the test. You chose the straight up trail Again, this whole thing
is assist level three, one handed. Woo. – That's pretty impressive. – Look at that, huh. – You were able to do that
one, and I was like okay. – I saw you getting squirrely back there. – Yeah, slowin' down. It's like, uh oh. – This is when you
wanna make sure you have some good disc brakes for the ride home. – Well, you appreciate the
fat tire for the stability. – Yeah. – And the motor to help push. – It's pretty forgiving. It's a nice, nice setup. Thanks for taking me out here. – Yeah, it's a great day. It's nice to go out and have some fun. – Yeah. – Look at those. Those are tire eaters with
all the knobs that fall off. – Uh oh.
– That's first, it's like, okay. I want the liners. I want the thing, 'cause around here, those things are everywhere. Those especially, the Chollas
'cause they just drop off. – Huh, thanks for the little
bit of fauna tour here. And I think you were,
you told me about these how like the parts fall off, and then they grow into a whole new plant. – Yeah, they do, but it's
really easy to pick those up.
We had our dog and Tilly
got one caught, you know. – Oh no. – Not much fun. – It's a sad day. – Yeah, so those are
what you gotta watch for. – This one didn't didn't make it. Kind of see the insides of these cactus. Some of these are like a
hundred years old, right? – The big ones are really old. Then the swirls` have
those, the wooden inside. And if you look at it, it's
sort of like a series of tubes, each of those separate round things. So when you see the old ones
that have been eaten into, and you think, "Well, how can it stay up?" And they're very heavy
because they're full of water. – Some of them turn into the bird house. – Yeah, the birds like it. You can see that one
that they've eaten into, but it's still going strong. – It's a nice trail. – Yeah, it is neat. We camp right out there. – Oh.
– We'll have to keep going. I see the campground. – Cool. – I'll show you that place. (birds chirping).